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	<title>Comments on: Iain Banks&#8217; Transition gets mixed reviews</title>
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		<title>By: Vitor</title>
		<link>http://www.keepingthedoor.com/2009/09/08/iain-banks-transition-gets-mixed-reviews/#comment-22281</link>
		<dc:creator>Vitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen more &quot;confusing&quot;. I read a novel not long ago from  portuguese writer, Antonio Lobo Antunes. I took the entire book to realise we were jumping between 6 diferent narrators and to find their identities. Was so odd that the writer would switch between narrators during a dialogue between the previous and the next narrator.
Guess that opened my mind to follow the much easier Bank&#039;s twisted plot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen more &#8220;confusing&#8221;. I read a novel not long ago from  portuguese writer, Antonio Lobo Antunes. I took the entire book to realise we were jumping between 6 diferent narrators and to find their identities. Was so odd that the writer would switch between narrators during a dialogue between the previous and the next narrator.<br />
Guess that opened my mind to follow the much easier Bank&#8217;s twisted plot.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Cornelius</title>
		<link>http://www.keepingthedoor.com/2009/09/08/iain-banks-transition-gets-mixed-reviews/#comment-19987</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 13:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also thought of Moorcock whilst reading Transition. I loved it but if you like everything tied up a neat bow, maybe this isn&#039;t for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also thought of Moorcock whilst reading Transition. I loved it but if you like everything tied up a neat bow, maybe this isn&#8217;t for you.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.keepingthedoor.com/2009/09/08/iain-banks-transition-gets-mixed-reviews/#comment-19849</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 13:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is Banks&#039; &#039;Lost&#039;. Whether intentional or not, this story sets you up expecting a lot, posing a many questions and instead of grabbing hold of and biting into these topics and ideas he&#039;s hinting at, the story like the characters, flit across the surface and then get hastely tied together in a very obvious way. But then again, writing about endless parellel universes you can&#039;t help but contradict yourself (the uniqueness of Calbafraques!) and not be able to delve too deeply into the concept. Because if you did, surely there would be as he hints at, endless Concerns, each with slightly different intentions and you&#039;d have a book where countless d’Ortolans and Mulverhills battled each other. This felt like an introductory novel for a series and I hope it is. Pity he killed Adrian though, I liked that character!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is Banks&#8217; &#8216;Lost&#8217;. Whether intentional or not, this story sets you up expecting a lot, posing a many questions and instead of grabbing hold of and biting into these topics and ideas he&#8217;s hinting at, the story like the characters, flit across the surface and then get hastely tied together in a very obvious way. But then again, writing about endless parellel universes you can&#8217;t help but contradict yourself (the uniqueness of Calbafraques!) and not be able to delve too deeply into the concept. Because if you did, surely there would be as he hints at, endless Concerns, each with slightly different intentions and you&#8217;d have a book where countless d’Ortolans and Mulverhills battled each other. This felt like an introductory novel for a series and I hope it is. Pity he killed Adrian though, I liked that character!</p>
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		<title>By: hindell</title>
		<link>http://www.keepingthedoor.com/2009/09/08/iain-banks-transition-gets-mixed-reviews/#comment-18921</link>
		<dc:creator>hindell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 15:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could analyse this book to death. The truth is though,would you want to? Im not one for using &quot;buzz&quot; words but the first thing that comes to mind when describing this book is boring. The last 50 pages are tense but the 350 proceeding it made me want to lay face down on the M25</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could analyse this book to death. The truth is though,would you want to? Im not one for using &#8220;buzz&#8221; words but the first thing that comes to mind when describing this book is boring. The last 50 pages are tense but the 350 proceeding it made me want to lay face down on the M25</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.keepingthedoor.com/2009/09/08/iain-banks-transition-gets-mixed-reviews/#comment-17736</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I&#039;m generally a Banks fan, I thought this book was terrible. 

I&#039;ll say one thing for it: it was a page turner for the first half because I kept thinking that on the next page it would all make sense. Instead, the plot flaws and inconsistencies just mounted up in cumulative fashion until by the end I didn&#039;t care any more.

In fact, there are more plot flaws than you can shake a stick out. The whole premise of the transitioning concept just doesn&#039;t make sense. The idea seems to be that at every quantum event where multiple possible outcomes could occur, multiple alternative universes are spawned where each possible outcome takes place. So far, so good, but if personalities are moving between these universes then infinitely more universes are constantly coming into existence even as the transitioner is out of his original body. In each of those universes, the transitioner has different experiences so it just makes no sense for the transitioner to return to his original body with a single experience (after all, he will have been killed in some of the alternative universes).

As for Calbefraque being unique, how so? It may have been once but since then surely infinite Calbefraque&#039;s would have developed in their respective alternative universes.

Then there&#039;s the part that really got my goat. Mrs Mulverhill and Mr Oh transition to an Earth where all life has been wiped out. Excuse me?! Into whose body do they transition then?!

Also, there&#039;s the ongoing sub plot about Mrs Mulverhill having cat-slit eyes but having to hide them with a veil. How can this be? It&#039;s clearly stated that transitioner&#039;s take on the exact appearance of the body into which they transition. Either that body has cat-slit eyes in which case it would presumably be normal on that Earth and raise no comment or that body wouldn&#039;t have cat-slit eyes and no veil would be required.

What&#039;s really annoying is that any half-decent editor would have spotted these and got Banks to fix them. In view of this book and some of his other recent offerings, I&#039;m getting the impression that Banks is in the unfortunate position that he is too &quot;important&quot; for any editor to dare to sit him down and tell him to do a major re-write.

In any case, I think I could have overlooked all the above blunders on the grounds that it was not supposed to be an SF book if the plot and characters were compelling. Instead, we have incredibly two dimensional characters (with the notable exception of Mr Kleist - the book&#039;s only saving grace in my view) who are simply &quot;good&quot; or &quot;bad&quot; because they are. Then we get a hold lot of left wing political and economic verbiage that seems a little pointless because if you need to have a fantasy world to make your arguments make sense than that rather undermines the arguments in the first place.

Anyway, I think I&#039;ll leave it there. This book isn&#039;t worth spending any more time on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I&#8217;m generally a Banks fan, I thought this book was terrible. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say one thing for it: it was a page turner for the first half because I kept thinking that on the next page it would all make sense. Instead, the plot flaws and inconsistencies just mounted up in cumulative fashion until by the end I didn&#8217;t care any more.</p>
<p>In fact, there are more plot flaws than you can shake a stick out. The whole premise of the transitioning concept just doesn&#8217;t make sense. The idea seems to be that at every quantum event where multiple possible outcomes could occur, multiple alternative universes are spawned where each possible outcome takes place. So far, so good, but if personalities are moving between these universes then infinitely more universes are constantly coming into existence even as the transitioner is out of his original body. In each of those universes, the transitioner has different experiences so it just makes no sense for the transitioner to return to his original body with a single experience (after all, he will have been killed in some of the alternative universes).</p>
<p>As for Calbefraque being unique, how so? It may have been once but since then surely infinite Calbefraque&#8217;s would have developed in their respective alternative universes.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the part that really got my goat. Mrs Mulverhill and Mr Oh transition to an Earth where all life has been wiped out. Excuse me?! Into whose body do they transition then?!</p>
<p>Also, there&#8217;s the ongoing sub plot about Mrs Mulverhill having cat-slit eyes but having to hide them with a veil. How can this be? It&#8217;s clearly stated that transitioner&#8217;s take on the exact appearance of the body into which they transition. Either that body has cat-slit eyes in which case it would presumably be normal on that Earth and raise no comment or that body wouldn&#8217;t have cat-slit eyes and no veil would be required.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s really annoying is that any half-decent editor would have spotted these and got Banks to fix them. In view of this book and some of his other recent offerings, I&#8217;m getting the impression that Banks is in the unfortunate position that he is too &#8220;important&#8221; for any editor to dare to sit him down and tell him to do a major re-write.</p>
<p>In any case, I think I could have overlooked all the above blunders on the grounds that it was not supposed to be an SF book if the plot and characters were compelling. Instead, we have incredibly two dimensional characters (with the notable exception of Mr Kleist &#8211; the book&#8217;s only saving grace in my view) who are simply &#8220;good&#8221; or &#8220;bad&#8221; because they are. Then we get a hold lot of left wing political and economic verbiage that seems a little pointless because if you need to have a fantasy world to make your arguments make sense than that rather undermines the arguments in the first place.</p>
<p>Anyway, I think I&#8217;ll leave it there. This book isn&#8217;t worth spending any more time on.</p>
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		<title>By: Erkle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 07:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Banks fan - well, of his novels. I don&#039;t care for sci-fi so imagine my response to find out this was just that. My fault I guess - I should have picked this from the synopsis. Anyway, I persevered for a while before giving in. This book is just a great big wank whether sci-fi or a novel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Banks fan &#8211; well, of his novels. I don&#8217;t care for sci-fi so imagine my response to find out this was just that. My fault I guess &#8211; I should have picked this from the synopsis. Anyway, I persevered for a while before giving in. This book is just a great big wank whether sci-fi or a novel.</p>
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		<title>By: Pasty</title>
		<link>http://www.keepingthedoor.com/2009/09/08/iain-banks-transition-gets-mixed-reviews/#comment-13478</link>
		<dc:creator>Pasty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 22:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Karl.
Loved the way it made you think about what was going on and challenged you to keep up.
It is a fantastic concept. It is as if he is taking Michael Moorcock into a modern earth and baring mankinds desire for power and control for all to see. 
I thought the way the characters were gradually revealed was briliant. Even if you figured them out it was still a joy to read and immerse yourself in.
Would definitely like to read more about the concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Karl.<br />
Loved the way it made you think about what was going on and challenged you to keep up.<br />
It is a fantastic concept. It is as if he is taking Michael Moorcock into a modern earth and baring mankinds desire for power and control for all to see.<br />
I thought the way the characters were gradually revealed was briliant. Even if you figured them out it was still a joy to read and immerse yourself in.<br />
Would definitely like to read more about the concern.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was disappointing, like hunting around a disappointing salad for the good bits. It was all over the place and required a strict focus for all the detail that you hoped would come into play at some relevant time. I found myself only reading &#039;Adrian&#039; at times, even as that segued into comfortable &#039;The Hustle&#039; cliche. Some undergraduate jibes at Tories that seemed a blatant attempt at appeasing the Guardinistas

And I loved &#039;Dead Air&#039; - can&#039;t believe the negative press it got. Now THAT was rolling dialogue done brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was disappointing, like hunting around a disappointing salad for the good bits. It was all over the place and required a strict focus for all the detail that you hoped would come into play at some relevant time. I found myself only reading &#8216;Adrian&#8217; at times, even as that segued into comfortable &#8216;The Hustle&#8217; cliche. Some undergraduate jibes at Tories that seemed a blatant attempt at appeasing the Guardinistas</p>
<p>And I loved &#8216;Dead Air&#8217; &#8211; can&#8217;t believe the negative press it got. Now THAT was rolling dialogue done brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Renai LeMay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renai LeMay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 03:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valid criticism -- I agree with much of this. As much as people are polarised by Banks&#039; writing, it&#039;s impossible to say that his stuff is immature -- it&#039;s always interesting in one way or another. If I was him, I would work on making it more accessible, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valid criticism &#8212; I agree with much of this. As much as people are polarised by Banks&#8217; writing, it&#8217;s impossible to say that his stuff is immature &#8212; it&#8217;s always interesting in one way or another. If I was him, I would work on making it more accessible, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 09:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, excellently deconstructed. This is why I enjoyed this book, because there are so many possible interpretations of the events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, excellently deconstructed. This is why I enjoyed this book, because there are so many possible interpretations of the events.</p>
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